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CaptainCranky
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Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 6:44pm |
A good topic to get a reaction from is which reel do you think is the most efficient at accuracy casting into cover.I thought I would add those last two words so as to take out any ambiguity.
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Lefty
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Baitcaster for me, easier to use all round, except for bream sized lures...
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puglee62
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generally baitcaster but threadlines can get in pretty close if in the right hands,threadline's are also able to cast a lot lighter lure
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Darby
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I reckon I am reasonably accurate with both. I was always a BC fan for accuracy, but have achieved (at least) the same sort of control with the spin stick probably due to 5 seasons on the BASS and BREAM rounds, especially with light lures.
In fact if I had to take one outfit on a trip, it would be a spin combo, just too many things you can do with it. With the current level of drag engineering in spin reels the old arguments have fallen away, but the accuracy will always come down to the nut holding on the the rod |
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Davent
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use both, prefer baitcaster casting into cover, no contest. Length of rod, weight, ergonomics, everything, baitcaster wins it for me.
threadys win for casting small, lightweights, but my barra lures arnt small or light.
Love my REVO MGX, Curado,s on light B/cast rods, GLX or St Croix legend elite. 150m of braid, great drag, 250gm outfit.
Even a Ci 4 stradic and GLX Thready outfit cant match the weight and ease of use for me.
VOTE1 baitcaster.
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goldtrev68
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I can catch the trees with either,,,,but really a Bait caster is better.,..,I got two types both Shimano,,,3 Cronarchs & 1 Carado the Cronarchs are better .,.,..,Gary
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Poolie
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Threadies for me in all situations, never really enjoyed using baitcasters those little tiny handles really annoy me and I find my accuracy and distance is much better especially into tight cover with a thready, must admit most of my tight cover fishing has been Bass and EP's though.
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Alistair
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Into cover. Depends what the cover is. I will use a bait caster most of the time and find I can flip and cast it around to find a way into holes in vegetation but when a Lure needs to be punched through some leaves or skipped under an overhang to get right in the back "of cover" then a threadline is a handy tool for this.
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GBG
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With me it is the one I have spent the most time with. The bait caster, it is so compact and the ability to drop and stop the lure just where I like is the plus for me. I fish in a lot of tight scrubby creeks.
But from reading the above I guess if I had put the time in with the spinning reel it may have been different. I do use the spinning reel when the lure weight demands.
Gordon
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steiny
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Personal preference..each to their own. I love baitcasters...that is all I use, unless I am offshore.
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cheers steiny
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PeterMack
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Baitcaster as first choice Captain, but starting to use a small spinner a lot these days and getting pretty accurate with it, especially skipping lightweight lures back into the cover.
Pete.
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Regards Peter Mack.
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Red Hunter
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I like to use baitcasters , for me I find they are more accurate , but in all fairness I have not used threadline reels much for light tackle work .
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bignanny
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Used baitcasters for years flicking lures, but ever since plastics have become popular I've been using spin reels and have ended up being more proficient with them than the baitcasters. Used my Certate 2500/Loomis MB784 combo chasing school mackeral couple years ago and was suprised how much grunt those little reels have, 900mm spotties no probs. I use that reel for JP fishing to little macks, haven't used a baitcaster since, I still collect them though.
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Pearcey
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hears a cod i caught in the late nineties in somerset dam on a shimano 4010 spinning reel filled with 7 kg platypus braid great reel and drag system i use to set it at 2 kg, drag smooth as , that cod although not huge hit like a freight train and peeled off a lot of braid , fantastic reel you can see the reel under the cods belly dont make them any more and although i havnt use the latest models i hear you can set a drag of up to 6 or 7 kilos on the big ones , by the way rod was a berkley bump and brett just looking picked the fish up in about 18 ft of water on a new fan dangled humming bird sounder lure was a frog stumpy, pearcey
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Pearcey
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Ducks
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Not just the big ones Pearcey... 7kg of drag out of many 2000 and 2500 Daiwa's (stock). Not to mention what you can do with DIY upgrades. Although I've never had to worry - I'm not fishing heavy enough for bass and bream to warrant a drag upgrade to fish max 12lb braid - haha.
I haven't used B/C gear in any meaningful way in 10 or more years. (Since throwing more 4cm lures around estuary) but I'm looking forward to putting a bend in my new Red Hunter overhead rod this weekend! :-D |
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Pearcey
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john i find it quite amazing that you can set that sort of drag on a medium size egg beater the technology for these reels to do that is mind blowing for us older anglers , the only smaller reels to set a decent drag back then was shimano and the smaller penn king fisher reels , went through 4 or 5 that claimed but didnt make the grade , pearcey
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Ducks
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I can't say for certain they perform exactly as quoted (7), but I definitely can still apply 5kg of smooth drag without tightening the knob right up, from a 2000 luvias which is 8 years old - I bought it as a present for myself when I started my job - and has never been serviced :-) and seen plenty of salt.
And the luvias is supposed to be one of the less hard wearing models as its made with a super light alloy. How far gear has come, even in my memory (I'm only 30), is phenominal. |
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Pearcey
LureLovers.com Fanatic Dave Pearce Lures and OLM Lures Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Location: gold coast qld Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
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john i brought a daiwa hardz body reel that was great that didnt twist on the reel seat when the drag was up, twisting of the real seat was a problem back then, pearcey
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flyonline
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Can't do this with a threadline
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Pearcey
LureLovers.com Fanatic Dave Pearce Lures and OLM Lures Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Location: gold coast qld Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
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yes the accuracy thing with both type of reels is in the hand of the user and spinning reels have come a long way , what drag settings can you get on the small baitcasters now days , pearcey
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Ducks
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The revo sx I got in the prize pack puts up 24# of drag. I'd say that is one of the smaller baitcasters.
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Pearcey
LureLovers.com Fanatic Dave Pearce Lures and OLM Lures Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Location: gold coast qld Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
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john not quite sure what you mean but we use to set the drag on a set of spring scales and i would get my young son and daughter to run down the hall way with the line attached to a stick pearcey
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Ducks
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24 pound :)
Yea I still set my drag (for the start of a trip) using spring scales. Then as I work it throughout the day/trip, I try to return back to that start point after landing any fish. Good habit to get in to I think. Have seen blokes in comps hook in to their first fish for the weekend and realise they're basically free spooling the fish the drah is so loose from the last clean. Hurts losing an early fish on comp day. |
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pickers
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I grew up with alvey's and older threadline reels and then onto bc's....now I wouldn't know what an alvey looked like as all I have is bc's and threadlines
as for accuracy....hell I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a bucket full of rice...so I use the threadlines when I need to get in tight and the baitcasters for the not so tight .... but I am getting better.....lets see.....mmmm...I'm 48 allmost....so by the time I die I should be deadly accurate
Paul
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rodsncods
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all depends on the individual , what they are comfortable with, but then i've seen rod harrison do some amazing casts with both. put a plug into a bucket at 20metres and shoot a balloon off a blokes head at 10metres.....mick
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pickers
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Mick
some of the places we use to fish for wild bass up in the hills behind home you couldn't cast a baitcaster as you were down in the sticks well and good.....some guys are off the planet with thier casting accuracy with BC's these days.
Paul
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dishley
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Ditto. Heavy cover for me means punching through lantana/balloon vine overhangs, or skipping well under willows. As much as I love my baitcast, it can't do the things that my spin can. Casting FROM heavy cover though, it's a closed face all the way. Wish they had a better drag though. |
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trevron
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This has been a topic of discussion with a couple of regular fishing mates while bass fishing (streams). We often comment that 10 years ago there wasn't a spin reel in the boat or canoe. Now it's the opposite. In the old days you couldn't buy a bass lure that was under 1/4oz, and the spin reels were by todays standards inefficient. By saying that, using mono line with spin reels accuracy casting was not on a par with a baitcaster. The stiffness and memory of mono would cause some lighter lures to tumble, resulting in more lure to line hangups. Braid has negated that problem, though wind loops now seem to be a problem. I've even been using a spin reel for trolling a lot more for a couple of reasons. When working a trolling pattern along a wall or bank, at the end of it, stop, retrieve the lure, turn the boat around, and a long cast back puts the lure back into the right spot for the return troll. Works well when there are others trying to drop in if you go in a wide circle to troll back. Nowdays it's every man for himself.
Trev
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CaptainCranky
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I like the way your thinking Trev
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trevron
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Thanks Barry, wisdom comes with age (64 in weeks), but actually I do the above to piss off all the gurus in Skeeters wanting to cast lures up against my trolling area, Sometimes I think, that they consider trolling a [Censored]s method of catching fish.
old and grumpy Trev
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pickers
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Trev
I'm with you on that one...if I'm fishing an area and some one comes into my little patch I'll work my way towards them so that makes them think you have come from the other way and allready covered the ground.....suckers
Paul
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takrat
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I have to say that I love baitcasters. I love the mechanics of them, and I like the direct line off the spool thing. Becoming proficient at using one isn't all that easy, but it's betting a lot easier these days with braid (the right one) improving things out of sight. Skipping a lure in under overhanging branches is most definitely the place for a baitcast reel. However it distance and light lures are what you want, then it's hard to go past a spin gear. My favourite spin outfit for Bass is a 2-4kg Samaki Zing with Caldia 2005 and 10lb Suffix 832. However for real enjoyment I love my Alphas. I guess collecting part of the deal too, there's about 9 baitcast reels here at the moment.
JD
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CaptainCranky
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Great info there JD.Thankyou for responding to the original post.
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bilge
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I love baitcast reels and started using a 5000c Abu as a surfcasting reel for salmon and mulloway. I used them in "open" water and larger lures for cod & barramundi with minimal problems. Then when I fished in tight corners with light lures with Cranky it all fell apart. I am sure the pressure had to do with the bucket however I had to deal with 55 years of accumulated bad habits and I couldnt consistently put the lure in the right places even though I was trying. Frustrating but cant overcome a raft of bad habits in a couple of days. However I still prefer overhead reels, although lately I have a range of threadlines where I think the results dictate their use. Whatever you need is the best reel for you
Billj
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