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Nicho
Stall Holder Nichos Maulers Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Location: POMONA QLD Status: Offline Points: 8752 |
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OOps sorry, just having a laugh along with the first (2 pages) of this topic
no disrespect to barry intended at all. apologies.
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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Tony
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I agree that you weren't the first to get off topic Nicho- we all do it at times, myself included!
I know you meant no harm, however I think a key point is that some of the more recent comments had no relevance whatsoever to the topic at hand, the earlier one's did have at least a tenuous link to Barry's original post. I know we'd go insane without a sense of humour, although several members have contacted me in the past and mentioned that they neither get nor appreciate all the goat jokes, I have to agree I don't get most of them either. Anyway - back to the topic at hand, if anyone would like assistance with thier casting technique please feel free to ask Barry for some helpfull advice (I'm currently working on a list, although think I'm probably beyond help with the convoluted "technique" I use!) |
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Cheers, Tony
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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Tony,
1st tip, think claw hammer not sledgehammer strokes, unless you guys in Backpacker Heaven still use sloppy rangoon cane rods 2nd tip, get rid of the cane and try some of that newfangled carbon fibrous stuff, it does all the hard work fur ye 3rd tip, never target that cat on the fence with a casting plug, when you miss and the plug wraps the line around the neck, its a right bugger to get the line back after it is knitted around 1/2 the neighborhood. Darbs |
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Tony
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All of which sounds excellent advice Darby - thanks
p.s. How the heck did you know about the rangoon cane rod I got from my pop, I thought it was my secret weapon! |
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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The darbs sees all
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gecko
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I would like some tips on skip casting. I use smaller style bibbed minnows, my own timber models, and have read a lot about targeting jacks under mangrove overhangs. I am trying to learn skip casting to get the lure right under, so far the only thing i think i have learnt is to keep the rod tip low to the water and do a side cast....
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tooch
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Hi Andy, Welcome to lure lovers you'll find the Captain is the man when it comes to
giving you tips on casting.......I think it's just a matter of practice to
master the art of skipping lures... your on the money keeping your rod tip down at
water level and give a little more effort into your cast...Practise , Practise , Practise
is probably what Barry will tell you to do.......Pete.
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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Andy, I'll have a go at helping as well...Skip casting is not for the faint hearted, it's an all or nothing proposition.
1/ choose a lure that casts bum or back first, if the bib or a flat side hits the lure tends to ricochet off into the shrubbery 2/ its a hard casting action, no place for soft lobs here, either a hard sharp flick or use a bow and arrow cast (that's if you have delicate fingers to grip a small chem sharp treble, I don't and have stapled my fingertips enough to master the hard flick ) 3/ try a sinking/suspending lure for most time under cover, once you have made the perfect cast you may as well get the best chance of depth while you are there. 4/ a lil tip I got shown, use a soft plastic...shad or grub shape, just enough jig head to get it there and rig it weedless by bringing the hook point back under the skin of the lure body. They cast under overhangs well and if you goof up, chances are the lure will come back without upsetting the neighborhood like going in after it with the boat will. I am sure Barry will fill in any gaps I left darbs |
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Tony
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This doesn't explain the skip casting technique fully, although you might enjoy watching this - I did!
I've never tried skip casting with plastics - I will be after watching this, looks deadly. |
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Cheers, Tony
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Pilly
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Thanks Tony,
What a great video and a beautiful looking river. I will have to learn how to skip cast myself.
Cheers
Adrian
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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Tony, caught the essence of my tip exactly, although I tend to use Slider Grubs or Gene Larew shad style bodys rigged either with a weedless jig head or a set up like shown in the vid. I have used various size tubes, but Aussie Bass have yet to develop a taste for freshwater squid
I do remember having a co angler in an ABT Bream tourny that persisted in throwing a Rebel Deep Teeny Craw under mangrove overhangs, spent a lot of time waiting for me to finish casting to a spot, before we went in and he could retrieve his lure from the sticks I think after the 3rd fish in the well, he got the idea and asked for some of my terminals. He managed to stick a couple after that as well. Darbs |
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CaptainCranky
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Hi Andrew,welcome to the site.
You have not mentioned what type of outfit you use.IE.Baitcaster or Threadline.
The baitcaster is quite a bit more difficult to master and requires a very educated thumb as well as lots of practice.
Darby is correct with some of the lures he has mentioned in saying that with hard bodies it is easier with lures that land on their rear and do not deviate too much through the air.
A lot of the mouse lures in wood do this and also some of the Knols Natives as well as many others.
A forceful low trajectory with good rod tip speed is paramount to perfecting this technique.Most times the rod will pass through the same plane as the water's surface or even from down to up a fraction depending on the distance required and the structure or obsticle that is requiring that type of presentation.
When using a Baitcaster I like to not have any tension or braking devices on the spool other than my thumb.After releasing the spool with your thumb for the cast and then momentarily slowing the overrun on impact with the water I then release the spool once more to allow the skip of the lure.
Generally one maybe two skips are obtained with this method.
With the spinning reel many skips can be produced depending on how the rod is loaded and the tip speed of the rod towards the impact area needed and of coarse the lure used.
Obviously the spinning reel is much less trouble to use and depending on your technique can produce great results as per the video above.
The old story --Practice makes Perfect rings very true with this skillful art of casting however many rewards can be had to the person who can present a lure to a seemingly impossible hidey hole and come away with a prized fish for their efforts.
Hope this helps.
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Tony
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Adding some Timber Meeces to my tacklebox tonight so I don't forget to have a play next trip! Have I mentioned before I like Meeces |
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Cheers, Tony
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tooch
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Hi Tony, try a couple of Knol's natives as well they have an excellent
shape for skipping and are wheighted in the back especially for that Purpose......Pete.
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Tony
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I've got a few of John's in my tacklebox Pete, the bass love them too!
Thanks, will give them a bounce next time I'm chasing Bass |
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gecko
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thanks guys, that's all excellent advice. i use a curado 200b on a g.loomis gl3 c664. it is a bit stiff maybe for doing this with 30lb fins braid? i would like to learn how to cast a threadline reel, but when i do get out i always sook it and go for the rod i know i can cast accurately with. might have to pick a day when the tides and weather are crappy and force myself to use the threadline gear. what are the mouse lures you guys are talking about? do you just mean small lures? the weedless plastics might be the go to learn with as darby mentioned. wow, thanks all for your help, i can't believe you all got back to me so soon. i am new at carving lures and stumbled across this site when looking for hints and tips on queensland lure makers. i am only using pine at the minute as i don't know what else to use, but some people have suggested some timbers to try. where is the spot to put some photos up of my attempts so far?
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Nicho
Stall Holder Nichos Maulers Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Location: POMONA QLD Status: Offline Points: 8752 |
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gecko,
click on the forum home, top left of the page. scroll down the page and look on left just past half way, for heading..Hard body lures click on this the page will open with tips for making your lures, carving etc click on the.... Lures you have made... section. And post your photos in there under whatever heading you choose to use. Nicho (ps...if you cant sort that... ask Tony, hes learning computers quite well lately)
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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Tony
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Sounds like excellent advice Barry, Thanks Now all I need to do is educate this thumb of mine |
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bassnbob
Stall Holder B.O.B Timber Lures Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Charlestown Status: Offline Points: 9390 |
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RED & BLACK mice on jacks what ya reckon boys???????
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bassnbob
Stall Holder B.O.B Timber Lures Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Charlestown Status: Offline Points: 9390 |
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RED&BLACK FROGS THEN
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puglee62
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are you fishing for Boothies again Bob?
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Pilly
Senior Member Joined: 21 Jul 2010 Location: Emerald, QLD Status: Offline Points: 777 |
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Hi Barry,
Are there any merits in using the Bow & Arrow cast. I would like to learn the method behind it. I have been chasing fish in amongst low hanging branches lately with a 2500 size spin outfit. I need to be able to flick lures in under or between the branches which are about 500mm off the water. I don't know if the skip cast will work with the lures I am using but I will give it a shot also.
Regards
Adrian
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CaptainCranky
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Hi Adrian.The Bow and Arrow cast is excellent for tight areas where you are restricted with your backcast or sidecast.Depending on which hand you hold the rod with,that hand basically points towards the spot you want to cast.The rod holding hand should be out and away from your body while the trigger finger which genarally holds the back of the rear hook is closer to your body.
When using soft plastics or spinner bait you need to hold the rear of the lure which may not be part of the hooks.
Hold the rod rigid and point towards where you want to cast and pull the lure back therefore loading the rod like a bow.
It is all about technique and angles and with practice this is a fantastic method of casting.
It gets a little hard with very small lures to hold the hooks without getting stuck in the finger so I sometimes put a tiny bit of thread on the back hook to grip.
This method can also be used with a baitcaster however takes a lot of practice.
Hope this helps
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Nicho
Stall Holder Nichos Maulers Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Location: POMONA QLD Status: Offline Points: 8752 |
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very interesting barry, i can see some serious injuries approaching for myself, even distant spectators, but will certainly give this a try. cheers for your info.
Jas
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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bassnbob
Stall Holder B.O.B Timber Lures Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Charlestown Status: Offline Points: 9390 |
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I have found over the years useing this way of casting the lower you are to the water surface the better your succes to put a lure in the right spot..........
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Pilly
Senior Member Joined: 21 Jul 2010 Location: Emerald, QLD Status: Offline Points: 777 |
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Thanks for the reply Barry.
I will be giving your method a workout on my next trip.
Do you know of any other casting methods when using a spin outfit to accurately get into tight spots?
Regards
Adrian
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CaptainCranky
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Adrian no problem.
When I teach people to accurately cast with a spinning reel I use the finger on the lip of the spool technique.
IE.With the smaller single handed outfits I hold the rod with my fingers around the reelseat.The decision as to how many fingers each side of the foot depends on the size of your hand.You may need 3 behind the foot and one in front with a big hand or 2 each side or 3 in front and 1 finger behind the reelfoot.
You need to get the tip of your index finger just on the lip of the spool so as to stop the line from coming off the spool until your release.
A lot of people who use Threadline outfits for accuracy casting try to cast their lure straight to the spot whereas I try to teach the feathering of the line with index finger as the lure is going out,much the same as a Baitcaster with thumb pressure.You can cast very accurately with this method using the underhand,overhand and angled casting positions depending on the area you are trying to get into.
If I could draw I would put up a picture of the hand and finger position with the rod.
Practice this method and you will be surprised at how good you can get with a Threadline and light lures.
Good Luck
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Pilly
Senior Member Joined: 21 Jul 2010 Location: Emerald, QLD Status: Offline Points: 777 |
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Very informative Barry, I am pretty sure I know what you mean with the finger placement.
I usually bring the line up and hold it against the foregrip so I am keen to try your method.
P.S. I might have to come up to Cairns and pay for some lessons with you
Regards
Adrian
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CaptainCranky
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Your welcome anytime Adrian
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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a picture is worth a thousand words...why draw when a digi pic is easier, it is the 21st century
I use this method on every spin reel except my big Certate jig reel, only because the weight of the jig tends to pull the braid out from under the finger tip.... Darbs |
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"If you are going to have fun with your rod.. get some wood
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Nicho
Stall Holder Nichos Maulers Joined: 25 Feb 2010 Location: POMONA QLD Status: Offline Points: 8752 |
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good pic darb, makes sense now, will be trying that.
thanks for info Barry Jason
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Pilly
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Thanks Darby it makes sense now
Do you let the line just pull out of your finger or consciously release it at the right moment?
Regards
Adrian
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Darby
Stall Holder Fishaholic Lures Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 7477 |
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Adrian, its a bit of both. You let the tension go when you figure the trajectory is right just like a baitcaster as Barry says, and keep you finger near allowing the line to feather past it so you can put the brakes on if the lure is heading the wrong way. One tip is make sure your fingernails are trimmed and theres no cuts in the fingertip, that fine braid catches on anything
When I was tourney fishing we calculated that we could make anything up to 150 casts an hour on a slow day, this method allows quick accurate casts and recasts if you blow the aim Darbs |
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CaptainCranky
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Thanks for the pic Darbs.
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Powelly
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Nice photo, Darbs, but you've got to relax and stop chewin' the nails! Try fishing, next weekend,
I used to do a lot of trout fishing in small, tight streams and I've always used the same technique as Brad. It's a great technique if you want to drop a lure right next to a snag pile. The forefinger basically does the same job as your thumb does on a baitcaster - feather the outgoing line and stop it exactly where you want the lure to stop. It allows for very accurate casting in, both, long and short cast situations.
Cheers
Travers
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