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Peter M
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Sorry, but you Adam, must be aware of and are responsible for advising as to where Barry's and my Copy Lathe disappeared too, You advised me that it was sold along with Barry's other tools, you know that I "dissapeared off the planet" for many years so I now request you to return the lathe that legally belongs to me, please do so. Without any doubt whatsoever you or your family is aware of the location of the lathe .
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Seaweed
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Peter, I remember buying your MM (Moller Minnow) lures from Peter Fooks when he took over running the LureShop Cooktown around 1988. He sent me a couple to fish Darwin harbour barra, consequently gone to the fish gods. They were similar in size and style to 4" Barrabaits, these along with MC lures, Kingfisher poppers and of course C-lures all around this time from Cooktown.
Regards, Seaweed. |
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"Always Merry and Bright"
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Peter M
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Hi Peter M here.
As everyone would know there has never been a request by me to destroy "Attack(QLD) Lures", there never will be. The truth has been revealed, that being that the majority, if not all "Attack(QLD) Lures" are hybrids which In my opinion may increase their value if people choose to collect them as it is my understanding that the word hybrid with regard to lure definition means the coming together of two or more makers to produce a lure. I am very proud of my association with Attack(QLD)Lures and I shall never forget my very close friend Barry Neat who supported me in our business venture into turning out thousands and thousands of lures on our copy lathe, not only under my name but others including GM (Greg Mundt) Lures, LTL and Attack Lures He had many practical skills and talents, he was a dear friend, his Wife remains a dear friend of my Wife and I, she along with two of her daughters came to my sons wedding just over two years ago. If anyone would like help identifying any lures that they may think are hybrids I am keen to help, please contact me. |
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Adz
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Firstly Attack lures are not a collectable lure, I was approached by people who were chasing older style timber lures which I had. I haven't claimed anything or sold lures for anymore than they are worth at face value. The lures I have sold as (Attack Lures) where in original packaging stating this and at the time I never affiliated myself to the brand. Other lures I have sold the pictures formed the description and I didn't quote any names or brands. Some people asked if I knew who made them so I stated the physical maker of the lures as this is fact. I have never forced prices on anyone and they have all been comfortable making the purchase. So anyone out there who has these lures weather sold by me or not can I ask that you immediately destroy them at the request of Peter as after falling of the face of the earth for 25 years nothing was authorised by him.
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Peter M
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Sorry, you are the one that made the assumption and have now documented that my very good friend and your Step Grandfather, Barry was a thief, shame on you. You were the one, on Lurehuboz that made the statement that Peter Munt had no physical or financial input into Attack Lures.
The reason ( the main reason), as told to me by the creator of this site is that it is a forum to create debate and help interested people/ collectors to identify collectable lures and to establish the correct ownership of lures and full history of their origin, in particular as to the maker. Clearly you are not in a position and and seen to have very little knowledge of the truth with regard to the history of Attack (QLD) Lures. Yes I agree that you should not enter into any further debate, you are putting out ill informed information and certainly putting your "foot into your mouth". My mission is to put forward the truth and nothing but the truth. Serious collectors will no doubt pass on their valuable collections (yes many with tens of thousands of dollars worth ) when they leave this world . These collections "MUST" be able to correctly identified lures in their collection "Now" and not left as a "Mystery", they deserve this right, they are paying several hundred dollars for some lures. Sorry if the truth upsets you but "The Truth Must Be Put Out There" |
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Adz
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Second to that you know I have no knowledge of the business model or arrangements between all parties involved. You are just insinuating that your best mate and now deceased business partner was a thief
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Adz
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Seriously? Attack lures QLD ceased trading over 25 years ago,there is nothing to be a spokesperson for. All lures in my possession where made on (your) copy lathe by your business partner and now deceased Barry. You just told me how you supplied patterns and parts and even painted some to be sold under the Attack brand and you are now claiming you never authorised their production. I'm sorry mate but I'm ceasing all interaction with you because you are being a flog.
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Peter M
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Hi, Peter Munt here, If Adam O'Connell is out there you appear to be the spokesperson for Attack Lures Nerangba Qld . Adam as you know and have have been advised I have recently returned from working on Caoe York for several years and have taken an interest in Lurelovers and that I am helping every lure collector with regard to lures produced by me and my business partner and very good friend Barry Neat ( you step Grandfather) . I just came across a listing on Luerlovers showing pictures of lures sold under the Attack(Qld) name. Sorry but I was disgusted that you chose, sold or claimed as "Attack Lures " without my knowledge and approval lures under the name of "Long Striker", "Minnow 90, a deep and shallow version. I am totally disgusted as the two minnows are my Moller Minnow shallow and deep. I never never gave any approval for my Moller Minnow to be copied, to a large degree these two models were dedicated to Eric ( with the approval of Eric's Son Ian) Barry never ever approached be and gained approval. You must come forward and explain Attact Lures unauthorised action as detailed.
The truth must prevail. Peter M Total |
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handbrake
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You may have misunderstood Peter. Carl was showing me the differences between luremakers. He told me ages ago about selling the lures in Cooktown. I was just pointing out that we collectors need help in identifying and knowledge from different sources is priceless.
Debbie Dare. |
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Peter M
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Hi handbrake, I am surprised that Carl cannot remember the connection of Munt and Moller as I sold Moller Minnows to Carl that he supplied the bibs for, I guess that at the time he was not aware of the connection, maybe he cannot remember back that far???I I had the approval of the Moller Family through Eric's son Ian, to name the lure, Moller Minnow". After Carl sold the shop subsequent owners/managers sold the same lures under the same name as Moller Minniws. I have a Catalogue showing this. Hope this clears some doubts??
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murraycod
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Peter, I think fame as a luremaker is completely in the lap of the gods and has nothing to do with lure quality. It was all about getting publicity in a fishing magazine.
These days the new young luremakers do their own publicity on sites like this and even more so on that bloody Facebook.
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Peter M
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Hi murraycod , I am humbled and very proud of your response, if you are interested please contact me through Barry Cross and I would be humbled and extremely proud if I could give you a couple of my older lures.
Best Regards Peter |
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handbrake
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Anyone who collects Mollers wouldn't be surprised by what you have said about your connection with Eric.
I spent an afternoon with Carl Grist comparing Mollers. Munts, oSullivans, Porter,zandagrands. He is educating me on nth Qld lures. I value my lot. |
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Peter M
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Whilst I do not agree with you, I am extremely humbled with it, thank you. It is my intention to put out the truth with regard to the Moller Connection, the Attack Lure Connection, the Mundt (G M Lures) Connection and the LTL connection. Once this is done I shall disappeared . Everyone must know the truth when considering purchasing any of the lures sold under those names. Once again I am humbled and very proud of your post. Best Regards Peter
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murraycod
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Peter, I don't agree with you that a Munt/Moller would be worth SUBSTANTIALLY less than a pure Moller.
Yours is a famous name among Aussie luremakers ( similar to the McFeeters Newell connection ) so absolutely no cringe in publicising what happened on Eric's wishes. If you had sold lures with your name written on them or on a printed card then you would be even more " Up There "
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Peter M
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No I did not know Russell
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Lyonel
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Sorry Pete, seperate issue but is there any chance you may have known Russell Jenkins from RJ’s Lures back in the day.
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Peter M
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If you are Adam O'Connell I submit to you, I produced a considerable number of Lures for Carl Grist (C Lures) when he Owned the Lure Shop in Cooktown. Carl generously supplied bibs for the majority of the lures that he had me make for him for sale through his shop. I note that these lures are showing up on the Lurelovers site as Hybrid Lures. I feel extremely proud of this fact , hey my lures are linked with "Carl Grist of C Lures".
I put to you, correct me if I am wrong, all Attack lures would fall under the definition of "Hybrid" either through association of Peter Munt, Greg Mundt or LTL Lures , you may with to consider all models sold under the Attack Brand and make an informed statement to ensure that the truth is told. |
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Peter M
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Hi Thank you. From before your grandfather and my very close friend Barry passed away until recently I worked on and managed cattle stations in remote parts of Cape York.
I lost all interest in lures and lure making and did not know of the increasing value of lures form a collection point of view. I have returned to civilisation and have begun to take an interest, finding a lot of wrong information from the very early years until present. I hope to soon have put up on Lurelovers the entire history of my involvement in the industry. This is extremely important as I see what people are paying for all makes of collectable vintage lures. They must get what they are paying for e.g. If it is a Moller it commands a very good price, if it is a Munt/Moller it is worth substantially less and so on. People must know the truth when outplaying considerable money for collectable vintage lures and not pay for something that is not genuine. Regards Peter M |
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Adz
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That's all people want, the whole truth. No body wants to be led down the garden path with one line statements, they just want to be factually informed about the history. I've never claimed to know the entire story and history as I was only young. As I said previously no one has ever denied you due credit or both parties involvement in the operation, just the way you jumped on here and started bad mouthing people and being narky didn't help anyone out. I hope you are happy with this and there is no hard feelings, it was not my intention to start an argument with you.
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Peter M
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Firstly if you are Darryl's son we may have met, in fact we may have fished together in Harvey Bay when your father bought a new boat??Secondly Barry and I were partners and as such had built and co owned the lathe, we were business partners and therefore all lures coming off the lathe, be they mine, Attack, Greg Munt,LTL were done with my approval and therefore produced by Barry and Myself. As previously advised I supplied and made patterns and the majority of bibs for all but LTL lures and some hand cut by Barry.
Hey let's tell the truth. |
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Adz
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I am not denying the truth but I am uneasy about the fact that you have jumped all over this forum implying that I have lied and misled people. On one post you say that you made lures for Attack but on another you say Barry (your partner) made them for Attack. You say you own the copy lathe so is it in your possession or is it not. I watched Barry make thousands of lures but I have never personally met you, so the truth is Barry made and assembled the lures. You allowed the use of patterns and parts for multiple brands but that doesn't mean you should come out after all these years so aggressively laying claim to every lure on this forum. I am not trying to gain anything I just have some great lures made by my late grandfather and the collaboration that people are interested in.
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Peter M
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I guess my physical input int AttackLures was the extensive time tha I spent with Barry teaching and passing on my lure making experience which I built up many years before Barry and I became Partners. Also my physical input into Attack lures was in the form of the hundreds of hours that I put into research design and development of lures and the manufacture of patterns, several of which were used/ made and sold under the attack name. I initially painted Attack lures for Barry when Attack Lures first started, at no cost,
With regard to financial input into Attack Lures, I allowed my designs to be copied with my patterns, I initially painted lures for Attack at no charge, I supplied the bibs for Attack Lures at no cost, I still own the dies used to make bibs for Attack Lures at no cost. Hope this clears up a few unknowns. |
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Adz
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Yes Barry made all the lures on the copy lathe. My understanding was yes a lot of the patterns where that of Peter's origin and some unique or modified. This seems to be the case for a lot of other lure brands made on the copy lathe. Parts including bibs etc where mass produced and used across all these brands. Apart from this connection Peter was never physically or financially involved in Attack Lures and he sanctioned the freehold use of all relevant patterns and parts. I am happy for Peter to correct me if I'm wrong and nobody is trying to deny him his instrumental involvement and long running partnership with Barry.
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handbrake
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Hello Peter and I welcome your statements. There has been a bit of mystery surrounding these, cania bug and other lathed styles so thankful that you make it clear to us inquisitive collectors. I was told that Barry Neate did the blanks. Yeah or may.
My contact no is 0447058486. Ps I have a nice selection of your early lures. Debbie Dare. |
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Peter M
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Hi all Peter Munt here.
All, yes all Attack Lures (Qld) were mane on my lathe with the majority of models my hand made patterns and designs, please tell everyone the truth |
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grey nomad
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You made that sound very simple Ian .
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Gristy
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Fysshe Salmon
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Yes Carl, QLD Attacks from Narangba and Dan McGraths from NSW.
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grey nomad
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Had never seen this post before cause never had reason to look up Attacks.
Boy am I gonna throw a spanner in the works shortly , soon as I can get some pic's done and edited, but then maybe someone else will notice and do it for me ?? . Ian, two totally different Attacks methinks . |
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Fysshe Salmon
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Jean-Marc, you've been looking under the wrong post, try Attack in the NSW section. The last info I can find on Dan is from 2007. His address was 11 Craig Drive Bellbridge VIC 3691 Ph (02) 60264117 Seems stange to have a NSW phone number and a VIC address. Cheers Ian
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frenchman
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Goodaye Guys
I am trying to get a hold of Dan Mcgrath to restock the small attack lures in our store does anyone have a contact ours is no longer woring |
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horrorhead
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MAAATE, where were these lures when they were being sold. Just love that gar shape.
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Martin-
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redfish11
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Looks to be the bibless to match your minnow Tony.
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Tony
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Thanks Bob There's a talented Novacastrian Lure maker that has one of the Bibbed Gars I believe Bob - you may even know him |
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Cheers, Tony
For the love of Fishing Lures. |
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Nicho
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And a friend with no zeals is a friend in need right BoB?
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
YA DONT KNOW...IF YA DONT GO...SO GET OUT THERE AND... FISH IT |
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