A couple of old Leads???

I was told these were old Leads.
Hopefully someone can verify that for me.

Barry
Nothing at all on them.
Laurie.

Hi fellow collector's! The two lures pictured here are Carl Grist CL3 prototypes. Not Terry Leadbetter Lures. What gives it away it is the shape of the metal bib on the yellow lure in the middle picture which is exactly the same as the zincanneal bibs that Carl himself gave me well over 25 years ago when I stayed with him and Judy in Cooktown.  The bib on the other lure is a shallow diving bib which Carl used to put on both CL3's and Cooktown Tigers. It is handy to know that Carl used to experiment with bib design and often used to incorporate bibs from one model into new designs with great effect.  For example,  I have a Giant Herring design from Carl in a deep diving profile which dives to some 4 metres or so which incorporates the CL4 bib which as you know Carl uses on his mackeral trolling patterns.  Similarly, Carl has used the zincanneal Baby Cooktown Tiger deep and shallow bibs and zincanneal Cooktown Tiger bibs for use in his many herring patterns and designs to great effect.  Manny P

P. S.  I am a brand new member of LureLovers.com and have an extensive collection of Carl Grist lures and some Lead's lures as I used to sell them here in Brisbane. As my digital camera is in for repairs at the moment, I can't show you the lures I refer to in the latter part of my discussion above but as soon as it is fixed, I will post some photos.  My collection runs mostly brand to new baby tiger deeps all in the original Carl Crist patterns and colours.  I didn't bother keeping shallows as my philosophy is that you can always make a deep diving lure work in shallow water but the reverse doesn't apply! Cooktown Tigers, CL3s and Herrings of all shapes and sizes.  Again, all in original patterns and colours.

Hi Manny and Welcome to LureLovers 

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

I'm an admirer of FNQ Lures, although have much to learn (the more I know, the more I know I don't know!)

After reading your post I compared some CL3's to them and the shape is certainly similar, I guess the broader shoulders may be what threw me, I've looked at these a few times and tried to figure their secret without success

I look forwards to seeing your collection and learning more about these great lures. I only have a small collection of C Lures, although they are certainly amongst my favourites!

There are several other fans of Carl's work here, and I'm sure you'll get to know them soon as we chat about these great lures.

Here's the pics along with a pic of 3 CL3's and a couple of other Carl Grist Lures for comparison

Thanks Manny,

Yes it can get confusing sometimes, a lot of collaboration has gone on between luremakers and generally that's been for the better of us all in helping great lures evolve. Henry Hall showed us a great example of this last week when he rolled out a few of the prototype Prop-A-Pop-A's he made for Jeff Reid, and there's a member here with an awesome Moller that Peter Newell was given by Eric Moller, and countless other examples (each of them great to know about, to try and get an idea of who was collaborating with who'm)

I hope it didn't seem I was questioning you Manny, as I have no reason to  (the written word can be tricky at times!) - I am definately a novice when it comes to understanding the early lures, although thanks to others sharing like yourself I am slowly beginning to understand just how much I don't know

I imagine Laurie will be well pleased to find the history of these two, very nice indeed! And thanks again for sharing your knowledge on these Manny

Thanks Manny, it must have been great fun to spend several weeks with Carl. If you have any recollections at all you'd like to share I guarantee you have at least one willing ear!

I'd love to meet Carl myself and thank him for making such great lures, although I hope he wouldn't mind me asking a big list of questions!

p.s. I only run the one forum, although I do gladly also help out the Kadaitcha Club where I can - some great changes about to happen soon on that front I believe

Well I have not found any C lures Or Terry:s here in Japan yet but I have been looking real hard at many tackle shops.Bloody freezing here.

Dear Laurie,have some great news for you re your 2 big lures you thought may be Leads.

No worries Laurie,I hope in the future to get more info from Carl when he is available for a chat.

Very interesting Barry. I have a couple of Peter's lures here, they seem nicely made to!

Meant to say sorry for the mixup, my fault not Barrys,to much to quick for the memory .

Nice lures.

Where do you get the little acrylic cradles from Tony?

Dave.

Thanks mate, I'll have a look.

Dave.