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cornboy888
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Posted: 04 Jun 2011 at 10:34am |
Interested in finding out if these two lures are authentic?? has anyone else have or seen these colour schemes? cheers chris.
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Alistair
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I do believe they are Newell's. Gower era Kad's (red eyes) are pretty safe to buy. I have a Guppy in that same colour green and scale pattern.
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bassnbob
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HOW DO YA TELL if its a fake newell all tips would be welcome thank you REGARDS BOB
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oog663
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If it's a good fake ya can't
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Alistair
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tow point, soldering, bib size, hole location, lure profile, paint, signiture. There are fakes out there, quite alot actually which some members know about and others dont. Got one myself which was sold as the real thing for big $$$ which myself and another member got burned on but the maker will have Karma catch up on him in life I recon.
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bassnbob
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CAN WE SEE THE LURE AL & would ya be kind enough to so us the finer points of how to tell a fake peter newell lure regards bob
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Alistair
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Out at Rugby tonight but have a look at this post. It is the orange kad between the thumbprint and pink kad. Have a look at the tow point for one and then find me another Newell that solders on the bottom side. This is a rare way for soldered wire tow points to be done as nearly everyone does them on the top side.
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Alistair.
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bassnbob
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EMMM THATS suss regards bob
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Nicho
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what I dont understand is what really determines a fake.....Im sure anyone who has made lures has made them so many different ways, using so many methods, materials depending on availability etc etc.
Who is to say something is a fake? the only person with the credentials to say so is the original maker!?(unless is blatantly obvious and a lot newer in presentation) Many will say...but he didnt paint with that pattern...those stripes are not right....he only used stainless tow points....he never used a concave bib......he never used twisted hangers etc etc etc.... It allways amazes me how many people tend to know more than the actual maker........some people say......I met him I know!(unless you shadowed him day in day out for years....youd only be assuming to know) How could anyone but the maker know, that he made 6 lures for a mate once, used a few different materials laying around.....whatever paint was there.....asked to do 4 lines instead of one......can you add 7 spots.....and make it a deeper diver for this trip.!? who knows? But at the end of the day....Im sure during different stages of their developing....all makers used and experimented with anything available till they really settled down to a strict routine?? That could mean many years of experimenting before becoming know outside a small circle....which could mean.....litterally hundreds of lures made with differences that apparently make them...Not worthy....not his....etc etc. For all we know....and who really knows!? those ones that differ slightly are actually rarer than the ones a maker ended up settling into for bigger production!? Not intending on an argument here...no intentions of upsetting anyone.....But seriously there must be a hell of a lot of lures floating around made by the highly sought after makers.....that are being pushed aside....just because someone deems to know how every lure ever made by a maker was finished. YES there would be a few obvious pointers...but only in the later stages of their career....prior to that they would vary greatly on a regular basis.? Jas
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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Bigriver
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I agree with you Jas, you can't always decide that something is a fake when It could just be evolution. Having said that the majority of lure makers paint work is almost like a signature or a finger print. A pretty keen eye can usually pick a fake, especially on someone as prolific a lure maker as Peter was. Cheers Paul.
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Nicho
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thanks paul,
Id agree on the paint....but the first ones of any maker would of been very experimental...varying in shape...paint ...patterns everything..until he found where he was at... good to see a point of view though from someone thats been there and done that.....thanks for the input...and it has been taken on board As I said.... not looking to upset anyone.... I just see so many people comment on things TO DO WITH LURES that seem honestly impossible to genuinely know.....unless you were the maker. I find it an interesting subject....as Im sure fakes are out there...or at least similiar copies...(many not intended as genuine fakes)...just copies And with the prices these days of some lures, it would be good know before parting with the dollars... but once again......who can genuinely determine.? It only interests me so much...as I like the simplicity in the lures made with the intention of catching fish only....which all luremakers started out doing in the first place.....until such a time where demand and need of money made them ramp up operation to suit the public market...making the lures appealing for both fish and buyers........so the ones that are a bit rough .....but could be a certain makers !....are the ones that i like........ but not neccesarily .........NOT the ones that should be chased by collectors...as its only the collectors with the opinion....and they really do not know at the end of the day.....what some maker actually made during their evolution......if that makes sense Jas
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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BTD
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Here is one to compare it to this one specialy signed for me.
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handbrake
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The metalic paint was what I ordered for sale after he split with the Gowers. Red, purple, green and gold as I had so many lures and they all looked alike. i sold them for $18 each back then. 2006. Also sold the large callop and boney in the same metalic paintjob.
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Alistair
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Sadly I am certain this one of mine is a fake otherwise I would not put it out there on the net. I will go over the reasons over the weekend but can say it was sold on eBay by the seller rowdythelureman who did sell a high number of lures before disappearing over seas, if you believe that anyway. Some may know who this seller really is and I would seriously examine any lures bought from the seller. From memory the lure was sold for $575 and that was not the highest price sold for one of these fakes
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Alistair.
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Bigriver
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Ouch! Sounds like Rowdy might be on beach somewhere, maybe Rio?????
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reel deal
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I might have posted these up before, but will run them again on this post for 'interest' purposes.
These 4 were personally purchased from Mr Newell by the current owner and he is 101% adamant that they are the real deal, and they show a striking paint finish even though the green ones are not signed. These are NOT FOR SALE, however I wrangled the baby gold off him for $80 back in April 2011. wadey |
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steiny
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Nice lures Wadey!
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cheers steiny
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stinger
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VERY THICK CLEAR ON THEM LURES
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REMEMBER FOOLS RUSH IN WERE ANGELES FEAR TO TREAD
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Alistair
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Look the real deal to me. I cant see any of the characteristics that I have been shown that would question the lures as seen in your pics.
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Alistair.
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Powelly
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@Alistair. The tow wire on your 'fake' is wrong in every respect, for Peter's work. Top loop looks too big and, as you said, tag wires are soldered underneath. Certainly not Peters work.
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Travers
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Pearcey
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its a shame that genuine lure collectors have to be carefull that peters lures are not a fake , whats going on here who would think of doing a fake lure in the first place just for monetary gain from a great lure maker such as peter ive always said that i would rather sit on the steps and talk to my dog now past away, than people, pearcey
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bassnbob
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DAVE YOUR on the money mate ....my thoughts exactly met nicer dogs than some of the muts out there but they are out there & its buyer be AWARE of the FAKERS of newells lure i am sure theres more to be uncovered SO WHO IS ROWDYTHE LUREMAN?????????????????regards bob
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Nicho
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rowdy was also a people smuggler and just left the country!
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Nichos Maulers Homemade timber lures....THEY CATCH FISH!
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dalbykayakin
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Serious?
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rally44
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Canoeeee,I think Jas has a funny ,perculiar, weird sort of sense of humour?? Richard.
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Dads in the shed making saw-dust again.
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dalbykayakin
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oh i was gonna say rowdythelureman must be a mad |
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bassnbob
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YEP JASON has a bent mind
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Cunji
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Who is Rowdy.I think I got a lure or 2 off him on ebay.Are they fake?
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phantom121
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Hi there mate, what if you post a picture up of the lures you are not sure about then I think some one on this great forum may be able to give you some help. Good luck as I am yet to find myself one of them nice kadaitcha lure.
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bassnbob
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A real one & a fakey next to each other if anyone has these can ya post a piccy thanks so no one gets burnt down the lineregards bob
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Patto_28
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hi mate correct me if im wrong but that looks like an aussie 200 by Trevor McFeeters, probably sold unsigned, and someone has written the wrong name on it as the handwriting is different to Peter's , just by the shape with the fat tail and Trevor soldered his tow points like that and he also used that type of hook hanger. Just an idea tho. Cheers Pat
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Alistair
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Not one of Trevor's unfortunately. I would like it to be as it would be worth something then. This one one of many made to profit from as the real thing.
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Alistair.
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