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    Posted: 24 Feb 2014 at 2:37pm
Looking at another post, I noticed that Trevor's sons
helped Trevor produce the McFeeters lures.

So not all McFeeters lures were carved by Trevor ?
So out of the 15,000 or so McFeeters lures out there,
how many do you think might have been hand-carved by Trevor ?
Maybe a profile cutting machine or copy lathe 
might have been a more consistent way to reproduce each model ?
Handmade yes !!!
Hand carved yes !! , But by who ?

Any thoughts guys and gals ?
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I suppose it answers the questions about how different the shapes are
within each of the models, thick or thin, short or long.
"Hand carved are all different", for sure !!!
If they are carved by different hands ?
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Very interested in that post myself and you ask some great questions. In the end they are McFeeters so that just adds to the interest to them. That post still said they were painted by Trevor though. It would still be interesting if we could find out how the shapes differ being carved by Trevor to his sons. 
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Originally posted by justlooking justlooking wrote:

I suppose it answers the questions about how different the shapes are
within each of the models, thick or thin, short or long.
"Hand carved are all different", for sure !!!
If they are carved by different hands ?
I'm sure that Trevor would have used templates, so there shouldn't have been too much variation in the lures, irrespective of who carved them. Variation in thickness is not uncommon.
 
I taught both Joe and Keith and I can't remember them ever talking about carving lures.  Not to say that they didn't.
 
Maybe, Brett or Debbie could ask Trevor.
 
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Thanks Travers !!
It would depend on how diligent the checking process was with 
the templates and the blank ?
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Ok from what ive been told the boys helped trevor and would carve some lures ,these lures would be for there own personal use .trevor would paint them and his wife would sign there name or nicknames under the lure . This was when they lived at alberta on the new england highway .so I dont know if any would get mixed up but I suppose it could be possible thats what I was trying to say in my post... sorry if this has confused people in thinking that trevor didnt carve all his lures , I should have put it better in my post SORRY
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Originally posted by bdowdy bdowdy wrote:

Ok from what ive been told the boys helped trevor and would carve some lures ,these lures would be for there own personal use .trevor would paint them and his wife would sign there name or nicknames under the lure . This was when they lived at alberta on the new england highway .so I dont know if any would get mixed up but I suppose it could be possible thats what I was trying to say in my post... sorry if this has confused people in thinking that trevor didnt carve all his lures , I should have put it better in my post SORRY


Thankyou Blowdy,

Was hoping you'd walk and see Trevor for the "Facts"

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Ha !!!!
Misunderstood !!!
So there still are 15,000 or so of them out there.
If some one wants one of those rare (15,000) I have 
some for swaps or sale.


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15,000! is a huge number to be carved by hand, where did this figure spring from? I carve mine by hand, but think I'd need three lifetimes to match these numbers.
Are you sure copy-lathes weren't used to batch out the billets?
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Originally posted by justlooking justlooking wrote:

Looking at another post, I noticed that Trevor's sons
helped Trevor produce the McFeeters lures.

So not all McFeeters lures were carved by Trevor ?
So out of the 15,000 or so McFeeters lures out there,
how many do you think might have been hand-carved by Trevor ?
Maybe a profile cutting machine or copy lathe 
might have been a more consistent way to reproduce each model ?
Handmade yes !!!
Hand carved yes !! , But by who ?

Any thoughts guys and gals ?


Does it matter who carved or painted them they are still McFeeter's lures the same could be said about Newell Lures does it matter about them ?


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This is correct Dave. Which ones of Peter's had Trevor's handy work? And I would not be surprised if there were Newell lures in collections that may of had other peoples carving work that Peter taught to make lures which he finished. This is speculation on my part but I believe likely.

Lure collecting is an interesting hobby we have. Always good to get the facts though. In answer to your question, to a certain extent yes, it does matter but this is a personal thing to serious collectors wanting as much info about their lures as they can, the story behind the lure so to speak.

As said, in the end, we know they are Mcfeeters made lures.
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Originally posted by Capt.Seaweed Capt.Seaweed wrote:


15,000! is a huge number to be carved by hand, where did this figure spring from? I carve mine by hand, but think I'd need three lifetimes to match these numbers.
Are you sure copy-lathes weren't used to batch out the billets?
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Seaweed I'd also like to know the numbers existence and where it came.

I am pretty sure no copy Lathe was used by Trevor , let's face it you could have the paper boy Makeing your lures for you !! And hence why the variations in many of his lures.

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It is highlighted in reading Bob Radlof's bio this morning. 5mins to carve a lure from a block but total combined time to finish a lure to sell, 45mins total.
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15,000 seems a lot !
If you were trying to make a living out of making lures,
these figures would be a minimum surely ???

25 a week x 4 weeks
100 a month x 12 months
1,200 a year x 15 years 

18,000 ???

Like many other lures, McFeeters had other hands involved in their making 
and possibly the Name of the brand is the guy that finished the lure by painting it ?
Interesting that as a collector we collect lures without thinking about all the variables 
involved !! Who carved the lure, who loaded the timber in the copy lathe, who sanded the lure,  who made and glued the bib, who glued the hook hangers in, who undercoated the lure, who painted the lure, who signed the lure.
Many hands make light work !!!!!!
For a few makers however, it would be the same answer, one person !!!!
If you don't care that's cool, it's just all interesting thoughts !!!

As for the paper boy comment, don't think I would collect that lures if the paper boy carved them !!
unless his name was Tom from Tenterfield I suppose !! Wink
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he made them for longer than 15 years,,,,, grey nomad that's right that's why we collect mcfeeters   because there out there to get,,,,,,, thousands of them
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I bet Trevor didn't even cut down the trees and mill the timber that he made his lures from.


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LOL Simon LOL. Now the hunt is going to be on for a "son of McFeeter" with their name on the bib - now they would be rare luresLOL
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As asked earlier, is it the guy that puts the final coat of
paint on the lure the Maker ? regardless of who shaped it ?
Are the imported plastic lures painted by John Bennett a "Bennett"
Carved by !!! Painted by !!!
Sounds like a Hybrid ?
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I do want to point out that in all the discussion, pondering and debate about this it should be remembered that the earlier lure makers did so in a time when lures were actually used more to fish than collect. Over the years I have bought and lost huge numbers of lures from McFeeters, Newell, B&M, RMG etc. You've gotta risk them to catch fish.

In some ways my personal opinion is that debates like this are divisive because we all judge these things using our own personal values, bias' and perceptions.

The reality is that there is an active market for these lures and buyers/collectors set the price based on what they are prepared to pay.

I also believe that Trevor's lures, no matter how they were made are incredibly effective lures and did what they were designed to do. ie catch fish and not meet the needs of the future market in lure collecting.
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Originally posted by ropes.basstard ropes.basstard wrote:

I do want to point out that in all the discussion, pondering and debate about this it should be remembered that the earlier lure makers did so in a time when lures were actually used more to fish than collect. Over the years I have bought and lost huge numbers of lures from McFeeters, Newell, B&M, RMG etc. You've gotta risk them to catch fish.

In some ways my personal opinion is that debates like this are divisive because we all judge these things using our own personal values, bias' and perceptions.

The reality is that there is an active market for these lures and buyers/collectors set the price based on what they are prepared to pay.

I also believe that Trevor's lures, no matter how they were made are incredibly effective lures and did what they were designed to do. ie catch fish and not meet the needs of the future market in lure collecting.

Thanks Ropes,

Most constructive post in this entire thread !! Smile

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My turn now. Trevor did hand carve and hand craft his own lures fullstop. Please don't take credit away from Trevor as like any Dad he would have wanted the 3 boys interested in luremaking as it was a fulltime job for him. Jennifer his wife( obviously pre divorce) signed and helped package Trevor's lures as a lot of his orders were from away.
I did have a few of the boys lures included in Trevor's gear when I cleaned his shed and they were unsigned and plainpainted. I knew they weren't Trevor's so I returned them to Trevor who sent them back to the rightful owners. Obviously they weren't to their Dad's standard. Debbie Dare
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Debbie love your work. Thank you.
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Thanks Debbie for that added information .
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Museum worthy knowledge there Debbie
Next question, how many lures do you think Trevor made ?
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Brett- Trevor made Tenterfield Lures from March 1988 to Dec 2002, with a few breaks in between with health problems and seperation and divorce. 18,000 is probably close but who knows. I did sell them for that whole time by the way. Brian grew up in Tenterfield, moved there when he was 11 and being a small town knew everyone. We moved back to the area in 1987.  Debbie D
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18,000 McFeeters lures !!!
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Thanks for the info Debbie. I doubt even Trevor would be able to put a number on it so I guess we will go with 18000 give or take a few thousand

I recon this wraps up this topic.
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