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Bigriver
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Tacspo took the Palaemon, Nipper, Shrimp and Cherax. Check to see if it has screw eyes or a metal skeleton. The Tacspo ones have a skeleton, cheers Paul.
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Raffey
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G'day Ken.
As far as I know, Paul only sold certain models to Tacspo. I was discussing this with a very knowledgable Deception collector the other day and from memory Tacspo bought and reproduced the Palaemon, Nipper, Shrimp, Cherax and Galaxia. You'll notice with the Tacspp Deceptions that they have a skeleton frame across the models. This frame was a unique characteristic only to the Shrimp when the models mentioned above were being made by Paul. If your Palaemon has the skeleton frame instead of screw eyelets (screw eyelets are an indication of a Palaemon made by Paul) then I'd suggest it's a Tacspo. If you have a close look at the eyes and they appear stuck on then this is another clue. As far as I know all of Paul's eyes were very neatly hand made with paint using drill bits etc.... Hopefully others can confirm what I've suggested above? Cheers, Danny. |
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Tony
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Great topic Danny, there can be traps for new players in lure collecting as with most things, and it's good to be able to help each other avoid them when we can. It's also interesting to learn different perspectives on collectables, we are spoilt for choice it seems! Sharing our knowledge and collaborating with other Lure enthusiasts is what this forum is all about. As you mentioned there are some who seem to prefer getting bogged down in playing politics and trolling wherever they get the chance - as they say "Haters gon' hate", they can just go do it elsewhere. I have hidden a number of off-topic posts in this thread. Let's please keep this helpfull thread to the original topic and not lose it in a wall of irrelevant text. |
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Cheers, Tony
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micknq
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Can't say I've taken much notice, but what are people actually paying for ' clearly stated ' Tacspo's ?
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Raffey
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Apologies Paul I've jumped the gun on you there a bit. My post is after yours in the thread but time wise it may have been earlier so it must have been floating around in cyberspace for a while. I've seen Tacspo Galaxias as well, so how did they come about? Thanks for your input. Cheers, Danny. |
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jaybonnie
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My question is to Paul Kneller,Could you ever be interested in making deception lures again on a large or small scale for tackle shops.You said that you sold it to Tascpo and they are not making them anymore so why dont you buy back the rights a go back into production?There is a demand for your lures from collectors and fisherman so seems to me you could not go wrong with making them as they will sell easily.Just a thought but surely you must miss making all those beautiful deception lures?
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Bigriver
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Whoops forgot the Galaxia, yep that one as well
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fletch
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Paul how many of those trophy style ones did you do ?.. coming through your way towards end of week if you about ....
Cheers aaron |
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Bigriver
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Noooo! That shall not be happening, I really enjoy resurrecting the early Deceptions for the limited number collector sets each year, but to make lures again on a commercial basis takes a really big commitment. I am contemplating another little venture though, maybe in the not distant future that will involve other lure makers, but that's for another thread and another time
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jaybonnie
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Great to hear their is a spanner in the works for the future and i caught my first ever murray cod on one of your shrimp lures.Thanks for replying and take care
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Raffey
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Righto. I was very fortunate to receive photos of a particular Tacspo lure from a helpful member on this site. As you can see it is a Shrimp, and apart from being an unusual colour it looks (when lined up next to a Tacspo Shrimp on the left and a Kneller made deep Nipper on the right) to have been retrofitted with a Tacspo Nipper bib. When I suggested this to the LL member he stated it had been made that way by one of the guys that worked for Tacspo and it was from his collection.
Pretty different as far as Tacspo lures go and certainly a collectible for those deciding to chase the badged bib range. Cheers, Danny. |
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brendan t
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very interesting i have a few of these lures am now abit wiser good info
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Bigriver
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It was after my time, but didn't they do what they called a Barra Range that had smaller bibs put in some lures?
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Raffey
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Paul there definitely was a Barra Range. I think I own a few still, I'll have a look. From memory they were in a pink clamshell package. I don't remember the bibs being smaller on my ones though. Doesn't mean others weren't. I'll have a look. Cheers, Danny. |
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Alistair
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Alistair.
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Raffey
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Thanks Alistair, they were some of the ones I was referring to.
I located them in my tub of lures for swimming this morning and noticed two things in particular. Firstly the Shrimp sized version of the Barra Range doesn't have a smaller bib like the one posted previously. A standard Tacspo Shrimp next to it in the Coach Dog colour shows this. If anyone can find any Tacspo Shrimp (Barra Range or not) with a small bib it would help to deduce if the blue one addressed earlier is a one off. The Cherax sized version in the Barra Range does however not only have a distinctly smaller bib, but also less curvature on the bib sides, when compared to it's standard Tacspo Cherax cousin. Both of these observations can be seen in the image below. A little in depth but hope it is of interest to some members. Cheers, Danny. |
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Raffey
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Since I have a few Tacspos out of the tackle box I thought it might be time to post some comparisons to Kneller made Deceptions for newcomers to the Deception collecting world.
I hope newbies thinking of buying Deceptions on eBay or anywhere else but are not sure what's what see this post first and find it helpful. If anyone has anything else to add on the structure or nomenclature of the lures please feel free to do so. Palaemon. Here you can see Paul's screw in eyelets vs. a Skeleton frame on the Tacspo. The eyes on the Tacspo also appear to be stick on as opposed to dotted on with paint by Paul. There is writing on the bib of this Tacspo Palaemon, but as previous posts by others have suggested this might not always be the case on a Tacspo Palaemon bib. Nipper Once again, screw in eyelets on Paul's Nipper vs. a Skeleton frame on the Tacspo, and also stick on eyes vs. painted eyes. There were a few different tow points on Paul's Nippers including omega plate (pictured), omega clip and also the very very rare through wire. Bib wise, I have only seen the Tacspo Nipper in the deep banjo shaped bib, whereas Paul's will have both shallow (pictured) and deep bibs. The paint on the Tacspo Nipper is bubbling badly, which is why the curves on this one look weird. Shrimp The Shrimp is a model that I think confuses more newcomers than any other. This is purely because Paul's later model Shrimp also have the Skeleton frame, therefore making one of the key identifying features of the Tacspos not as useful. Paul's Shrimp will either have twisted wire hangers or Skeleton frame hangers, while Tacspos will have only the Skeleton frame hangers. The bib on the Tacspo Shrimp should to the best of my knowledge have the map, writing, or both, and will be in the deep banjo shape. Paul's Skeletons will have either the deep or shallow bib and of course no writing. If it has any other tow point other than the front of the Skeleton frame (for instance two hole through wire, omega clip, the rare omega plate or the even rarer 80 slot through wire) then you can be 99.99999% sure it's one of Pauls. Stick on eyes on the Tacspo once again as compared to paint dots by Paul. Cherax Same as the Palaemon and Nipper, it will be the Tacspo Skeleton frame vs. more often than not screw in eyelets. If you see a Cherax with twisted wire hangers, be it a through wire or not, once again be 99.99999% confident it's one of Pauls. Bib shapes, lengths, widths and thicknesses vary quite a bit across the numerous Cherax models of Pauls, so if you can identify writing/Australia symbols on the bib along with the Skeleton frame tow point then I'd confidently go with it being a Tacspo. Again, stick on eyes only on the Tacspo. Galaxia I have for the last year managed to not come across one Kneller made Galaxia for sale or trade, therefore I have no image of one to show next to a Tacspo. I will show the Tacspo though, which as you can see has the Skeleton frame, stick on eyes, and writing on the bib. As far as I know all Galaxia made by Paul had screw eyelets and of course no writing. In relation to Paul's tow points/bib sizes etc I'd need Paul, Rob or Alistair to help with this. Finally, I thought I'd finish with a picture of what a buyer may encounter if a Deception is up for sale in it's original packaging. As you can see Paul's two main displays in the foreground were on a backing card and also in a little plastic packet with a folded card stapled back onto itself below the snap lock seal. The Tacspo clamshell packaging is very distinct and the card inside was predominantly yellow and blue, but don't forget the pink and blue clamshell packages as well. I hope this all helps, and if you want to buy a Deception and you would like it to be Pauls, but you're still unsure if it's Tacspo, please feel free to contact and I'll help where I can. Cheers, Danny. |
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micknq
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Good stuff mate, can appreciate how long that took and it has helped me out.
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steiny
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Well done Danny, very informative. While I don't collect deceptions, I am sure others will agree this post is very helpful. Thanks for your positive contribution to this website.
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cheers steiny
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JKR
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That was a good read. Thanks Danny.
Informative, and some nice lures. Even better though was the use of "nomenclature". Not sure which aspect was more impressive ... probably the lures. Cheers, John |
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Lure-Nut
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Hi Danny, awesome information that will help all Deception Collectors. To assist here is a picture of Paul's Galaxia - key features are a punched, not lasered 1mm bib, omega plate tow point and screw eyes
The punched bib results in a slight taper in the 'horizontal' plane as distinct from a laser cut bib, you can feel the bur on top - tried to get this view in the bottom pictures. That being said i also have a Galaxia example with a wire tow as an alternative. Cheers Rob |
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amdoubleu
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Another example of why we love this site with the unselfish willingness of members to share information. Good stuff.
Alan |
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Raffey
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Thanks all, and very grateful Rob for that much needed post and photo.
John that's the geeky fish ecologist coming out in me from an earlier career. Cheers, Danny. |
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RossPerth
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Great info everyone
Thank you all |
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