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This is the start of a list of timbers and their specific qualities suitable for lure making. I will be updated as we go

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Floating and sinking?  Great.
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Popular Lure Making Timbers

Section 1. Australian Timbers

Listed from lightest to heaviest.

All densities are at 12% moisture level which is regarded as the normal level of retailer supplied timber.

Some of these timbers may be hard to source given that many are regarded as threatened species in the wild and plantation grown timber may be available in limited quantities or they may be grown and milled by private individuals.

Australian Red Cedar

Toona australis ( Cedrela toona )


Description

This large deciduous tree grows through eastern Australia, Papua New Guinea and across to India. The heartwood ranges from pale pink to a dark deep red, depending on the age of the tree. It has a coarse texture and can sometimes display a fiddleback figure.

Workability,  Works well but can be a bit too soft if very young
Density,  420kg/m3. 

Hardness,  Soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Hand Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Good

Sanding:

 

Excellent

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Excellent

Timber Coating:

 

Takes most coatings


White Beech 

Gmelina spp.


Description

This large hardwood grows through northern NSW, into QLD, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands. The heartwood is a very pale brown, almost white. It is very greasy and takes years to dry.

Workability,  Machines well but terrible to sand.  It clogs paper very quickly.
Density,  500kg/m3
Hardness, Not hard.
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Good

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Poor, clogs paper easily. Use open garnet papers for roughing

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Poor, epoxy recomended

Timber Coating:

 

Poor if timber is greasy, may need washing with thinner


Brown Beech

Litsea leefeana, Litsea glutinosa, Litsea reticulata


Bollywood, bollygum, bolly beech, brown bollywood, soft bollygum,

Description

A medium to tall tree attaining a height of 25-40 m and a stem of diameter of 1-2 m. The trunk is not prominently buttressed. The bark is brown, sometimes grey, rough textured and sheds in roundish flakes leaving shallow depressions, giving it a rough, scaly appearance.

Distributed mainly in the coastal rainforests of northern New South Wales and Queensland.

Density
L. leefeana 480 kg/m3
L. glutinosa 515 kg/m3
L. reticulata 530 kg/m3 Hardness

Hardness,Soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Machines and turns well to a smooth surface.

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good


Huon Pine

Lagarostrobos franklinii

 

Found only in Tasmania, Huon Pine grows along rivers, lakes and flood plains of the rugged West Coast and some small pockets in the South West Wilderness. Trees dated as 10,000 years old have been discovered still growing, placing the species among the longest lived organisms on earth. It is a mellow, extremely fine textured wood with characteristic, pleasant fragrance. The timber is not commercially logged - all material is controlled by Forestry Tasmania & only two mills have the rights to "salvaged timber" from valleys since flooded for hydro-electricity generation.

Workability, This timber works extremely easily.

Density, 530 kg/m3

Hardness, Firm to soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Good

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good, needs pre-drilling to avoid cracking on thin edges

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good


Kauri

Agathis dammara


Description

This large softwood grows through south east Asia. The heartwood is a pale yellow brown colour and the sapwood can be quite white. The grain is usually very straight.

Workability, This timber works extremely easily.
Density, 550kg / m3  
Hardness, Soft.
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Very good

Hand Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Good.

Sanding:

 

Excellent

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Excellent

Glueing:

 

Excellent glues with most adhesives.

Timber Coatings:

 

Accepts most coatings with no problems

Silky Oak

Cardwellia sublimes


Description
A large tree commonly attaining 40 m in height and 2 m in stem diameter. The trunk, usually without buttresses, is normally straight. The bark is slightly flaky to non-descript. The outer blaze is commonly biscuit-brown in colour.
Workability, Works very well by hand or machine. Sands easily and polishes with any finish.
Density, 560kg/m3.
Hardness, Soft.
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Very Good

Hand Machining:

 

Very Good

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Very Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Very Good

Glueing:

 

Very Good.

Timber Coating:

 

Excellent


Qld Maple

Flindersia brayleyana.


Description

A large hardwood from Nth Qld. Heartwood is a pale pink brown. Grain is slightly course and often has a fiddleback figure.

Workability, Works very well by hand or machine. Sands easily and polishes with any finish.
Density, 580kg/m3.
Hardness, Not very hard.
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Very Good

Hand Machining:

 

Very Good

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Very Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Very Good

Glueing:

 

Very Good.

Timber Coating:

 

Excellent

Coachwood 

Ceratopetalum apetalum


Description

This medium sized hardwood grows in NSW and southern QLD. The heartwood is a pale pink brown and has a distinctive caramel smell. The grain is fine, even and usually straight.

Workability, Works well but can split when nailed or screwed.

Density, 620kg/m3.

Hardness, Hard
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Hand Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Excellent

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Difficult, pre-drilling required

Glueing:

 

Excellent

Timber Coating:

 

Take care with staining

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Great stuff Brad Thumbs Up I enjoyed that a lot thankyou mate ClapClapClapClapClap
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Mackay cedar

Paraserianthes toona


AKA Red Siris and Acacia Cedar.

Description A medium-sized tree reaching 30 m in height and 1 m in stem diameter. Stem not prominently buttressed. Bark grey or brown, scaly in parts, sometimes showing irregular depressions where the bark scales have fallen off. The bark is pink when freshly cut. Distributed mainly in North Queensland coastal rainforests between Mackay and the Endeavour River.Workability

Workability, Being fairly hard and fine grained the finish off the machine is excellent though take care in areas of grain direction change

Density, 720 kg/m3

Hardness, Moderately hard
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Hand Machining:

 

Very Good.

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Very Good.

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good.

Glueing:

 

Most glues work well.

Timber Coating:

 

No issues known of.



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Well done, Brad.
 
The Silky Oak timber, in NSW, is from Grevillea robusta.
 
Not sure what sort of Silky Oak that Bryan Power sent to me, but I wouldn't describe it as "soft"! Definitely not an easy timber to carve with a Stanley knife.
 
Bryan also sent some black Silky Oak, which I haven't tried yet.  Apparently, it is really hard.
 
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Mackay Cedar!
 
About 17-18 years ago I was in Gladstone and swapped a heap of Scorpions for a plank of cedar.  The timber was like rock to carve.  It was hard and seemed like it was full of dried sap. I assumed that it must have come from the base of a very large cedar tree.  Bloody hard work trying to carve lures with that timber.
 
I still have some of that timber.  I'm guessing that it was a lump of Mackay Cedar.
 
I think that I came out second best in that trade! Cry
 
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Section 2. Imported Timbers

Listed from lightest to heaviest

All densities are at 12% moisture level which is regarded as the normal level of retailer supplied timber.

Some of these timbers may be hard to source given that many are regarded as threatened species in the wild and plantation grown timber may be available in quantities affected by weather, world currency fluctuations and politics.

Quality can vary depending on the season and size of tree harvested. Dealing with a reputable timber merchant is advised to avoid getting lumbered with a dud batch.

Paulownia

Tiliaceae spp.

Description
Paulownia is a genus of from 6 to 17 species (depending on taxonomic authority) of plants in the monogeneric family Paulowniaceae, They are native to much of China, south to northern Laos and Vietnam, and long cultivated elsewhere in eastern Asia, notably in Japan and Korea. They are deciduous trees 12–15 m (40–50 ft) tall, with large leaves 15–40 cm across. Paulownia is extremely fast growing; some species of plantation Paulownia can be harvested for saw timber in as little as five years.
Density, 224-340 kg/m3

Hardness, Firm

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Hand Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Good

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Excellent

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Excellent

Fijian Mahogany

Swietenia macrophylla.


Description

This is the Brazilian Mahogany plantation timber grown in Fiji.  Due to excellent growing conditions it grows faster than in Sth America.  Timber is an orange brown colour.

Workability, Works very well. The plantation Mahogany tends to be less stable than the home grown variety
Hardness, 400Kg/m3.
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Machining:

 

Good

Bending:

 

Reasonable

Sanding:

 

Excellent.

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good.

Glueing:

 

Very Good.

Timber Coating:

 

Accepts most coatings well.

Jellutong 

Dyera costulata


Description

A large hardwood from Malaysia and Indonesia. Heartwood is very pale, cream in colour. The grain is generally straight. Latex canals are common.

Workability, Works well with or against the grain.
Density, 400kg/m3
Hardness, Very soft
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Doesn't hold a nail very well.

Glueing:

 

Excellent

Timber Coating:

 

Takes most coatings

European Beech 

Fagus sylvatica


Description

A common hardwood throughout Europe. The heartwood is a pale yellow brown and difficult to tell from the sapwood. Our timber is generally lightly steamed which produces a pale pink colour.

Workability, Works extremely well.
Density, 420kg/m3.
Hardness, Soft
At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

One of the best

Sanding:

 

Excellent

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Excellent

Glueing:

 

Excellent

Timber Coating:

 

Accepts most coatings

Oil:

 

Oils well

Kauvula

Endospermum macrophyllum


Other Names:
New Guinea basswood, endospermum
Description
A medium-sized to fairly large tree of up to 35(-40) m tall, bole stout, columnar, up to 150 cm in diameter.Occurs in primary forest and particularly in secondary forest on low, undulating country or along streams and occasionally on permanently inundated sites. Found in South East Asia & Pacific Island
Workability, Saws and machines well. Gluing, screwing and turns satisfactorily. Accepts coatings well.
Density,  440kg/m3. 

Hardnes, Soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Excellent

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Excellent

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Fair

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Takes all coatings

Calantas

Toona calantas syn. Cedrela calantas


AKA Surian (Indonesia, Malaysia), Kalantas, Limpaga, New Guinea Cedar

Description
A medium to large hardwood attaining 40 m in height, with grey to grey-brown bark, which is shed in thin patches. It is found in Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Papua New Guinea
Workability, Works fairly well but may require sanding to remove torn grain.
Density, 480 kg/m3

Hardness, very soft.

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Excellent

Hand Machining:

 

Very Good, Can be woolly if tools are not sharp

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good.

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good.

Glueing:

 

take care if sap exudation present.

Timber Coating:

 

Accepts most.

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Meranti

Shorea spp


Meranti is a common name applied commercially to four groups of species from the genus Shorea, grown most commonly in Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. The four groups are "light red", "dark red", "yellow", and "white".
Description

Large trees ranging up to 70 m in height and 1.5 m in stem diameter. Stems usually have moderately large buttresses and straight cylindrical trunks. A tropical rainforest species found throughout South-East Asia and the islands of the South West Pacific region including the Philippines, Indonesia and east Malaysia.

Density

Meranti (light red) 560 kg/m3

Meranti (yellow) 660 kg/m3

Meranti (dark red) 670 kg/m3

Meranti (white) 705 kg/m3

Hardness. Firm to soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Machining:

 

Machines and turns well, lower density species may give a woolly cut if sharp tools are not used..

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good


Willow. English White

Salix alba


Description

White Willow) is a species of willow native to Europe and western and central Asia. The name derives from the white tone to the undersides of the leaves.

It is a medium-sized to large deciduous tree growing up to 10–30 m tall, with a trunk up to 1 m diameter and an irregular, often leaning crown. The bark is grey-brown, deeply fissured in older trees. The shoots in the typical species are grey-brown to green-brown. The leaves are paler than most other willows, due to a covering of very fine silky white hairs, particularly on the underside.

Density, Average about 450kg/m3

Hardness, Firm to soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Machines and turns well

Bending:

 

Good

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good

 

DOUGLAS FIR

Pseudotsuga menzeisii

Description

Commonly called Oregon, Douglas Fir is a large softwood found along the West Coast of Canada and the USA, particularly in British Columbia. Also known as British Columbian Pine and Oregon Pine.

Density, 530kg /m3

Hardness. Firm to soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Machining:

 

Machines and turns well

Bending:

 

Poor

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good

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Basswood

Tiliaceae spp.

Description

Tilia is a genus of about 30 species of trees native throughout most of the temperate Northern Hemisphere, in Asia (where the greatest species diversity is found), Europe and eastern North America; they are not native to western North America. They are generally called lime in Britain and linden or basswood in North America.

Density, 560 kg/m3

Hardness, Firm to soft

At a Glance

Turning:

 

Good

Hand Machining:

 

Machines and turns well

Bending:

 

Good

Sanding:

 

Good

Nailing/Screwing:

 

Good

Glueing:

 

Good

Timber Coating:

 

Good

Unusual grained Timbers for nude display only lures.

As these timbers are often hard to obtain and many classed as HARD woods, they will not suit quantity production styles and are suitable only for display collectible lures or trophies.

                      Avocado                                                    Banksia                                                  Bunya Pine

        

                     Blk Wattle                                    Briglow                                          Gidgee 

                                                              Hairy Oak                                  Mango                                     Qld Walnut

    

     Tasmanian Sassafrass                                  White Cedar 

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 Thankyou Brad for all this info. It will help greatly with my list of woods.  My furniture restorer may not be happy though when he sees his next project......
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Originally posted by Powelly Powelly wrote:

Mackay Cedar! 
I think that I came out second best in that trade! Cry Travers


Travers PM your address and I'll send a stick down to you. It is a bit harder than Red Cedar but certainly not as hard as Silky Oak.

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I never knew trees layed wooden eggs! learn something new every day.
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Found my timber yard to get all this . Picked up some slabs of jelutong , surian, kauri , also some n.z beech , told me pretty much same as euro beech a bit cheaper . Has anyone used this n.z beech.....and some other smaller peices of some others to play with..... Some of that hard zebra wood ... heading back in a couple of weeks get a bunch of other sorts ...... Aaron
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Brad not sure where it belongs (what type) and if suitable for lures.
Also picked up some Kashmir willow recorded on a discarded cricket bat Pale white ,yellowish in colour and light weight.
 
Two different pieces, both well grained
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Great post Brad, I love seeing different wood from other countries. Thanks for all the info.
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got some pencil cedar (palaquin spp) recently, looks good and has a density close to silky oak.
wondering if anyone has used this for luremaking and if so what did they think of it.
 
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Bunya pine hard to obtain?? I know where some mountains are pretty close to home that have a few bunya pine trees. I actually had a feed of bunya nuts from them yesterday
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Originally posted by ando 1 ando 1 wrote:

got some pencil cedar (palaquin spp) recently, looks good and has a density close to silky oak.
wondering if anyone has used this for luremaking and if so what did they think of it.
 
i used some a while back that Abu Admiral sent me,it was fine to work with.the piece i had was very light but i think the density of cedars does tend to vary a bit,wear a mask if you sand this stuff as the dust will irritate the crap out of your snooterWink
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Brad, thank you for sharing that with us - AWESOME WORK Clap


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A mate picked up six sticks of wood from Tassie last week marked 'CT' celery top -'BW' black wood- 
'S' sasarfras- 'HP' huon pine- 'M' myrtleand 'LW', anyone know what 'LW' is???
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Pete, that wood Wink probably be LEATHERWOOD, Eucryphia lucida greatest honey in the world,,yum yum

as for luremaking...
Air Dry Density about 740 kg/m3
Leatherwood is very fine grained timber and known for its good workability and finish
leatherwood logs can produce a very attractive timber with a rich palette of colours from pinks through to browns; purple-heart logs contain the most figured wood, similar in appearance to black-heart sassafras.

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i think Brad has it and i'll second that about the leatherwood honey,yummo
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Just a note on Pawlonia, Its grown in plantations in a few places on the Nsw North Coast. It is one of the few timbers that can be grown to a specific density within its possible range by a feeding regime.
Funny looking treeLOL They look like they should have pumpkins hanging off the branches
 
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Thanks Brad/ Chris, did not know Leather Wood came from Tassie, for some reason I thought it was Victorian, I would not have guessed it anyway LOL. Brad your discription is pretty close, it's fine and mid brown in colour and I know what you mean about the honey.
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