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    Posted: 13 Feb 2017 at 9:30am
what are your guys' thoughts on UV lures?

personally, I think it lends a specific advantage for sure. not to the point where if you put on a UV lure that it's going to instantly catch a fish, but there's no disputing the extra visibility it gives.

upon further reading, not all fish see UV they say though. but then again, i'm always somewhat sceptical on just what we actually know. I have read that juvenile fish will see UV and rely on it to locate plankton, etc, but then they say that they lose the ability to see UV once they mature. that seems odd. they say that salmon see UV when they are in freshwater, but once they reach the ocean, they lose the ability, but then gain it back when they return to freshwater to spawn. that sounds bogus. what also contradicts that theory, is that many ocean salmon fisherman have found UV lures to make a big difference in their catch rates.

I know I have caught with certain key UV coloured lures. but also, my best catchers are completely non-UV lures, back/silver and green/silver for example.
but one certain lure that is a go-to of mine, is a bright red that resembles a spawning salmon colour. I have always thought that was why it produced well. but, it's actually flo. red, and super-UV. so, is it catching well due to the UV attributes, or that it resembles the red of a spawning salmon? it looks like the spawning salmon red to us, but we don't see UV. so it must be because of it's UV reflectiveness I would think.

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it's pretty crazy how a lure looks to us, but it is represented entirely different to a fish.
some I have painted intentionally for their altered appearance.



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and then this one also glows without light as well.

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and then when I was checking them out with UV light, I found something strange. I wasn't aware that epoxy has UV. some of my lures, I have used epoxy to coat the cups and holes. I was quite shocked to see that a lure I painted to be the actual, true colours that it is, then was changed due to, not the paint, but the epoxy. and it couldn't have been a more drastic change. the black cup, in actuality glows like crazy.


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and i'm still not sure what is up with some of the eyes. maybe it's just that they are UV, or it's the glue I used, wood glue, that is making them glow. but I don't think the glue would be visible under the eyes, so it's weird.
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here was something that really surprised the heck out of me. looking at how my lures looked with UV light, and this jumped out at me. I was pretty shocked. we want our line to be as invisible as possible. so my eyes became saucers when the light hit this one.

that top lure has a hook and swivel still attached. there's a piece of line still on the swivel, where it was cut off the rod. looks normal enough in that picture. then the UV light hit it and.....
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I took the UV light to my rods and found the culprit.



I will have to find my box of line spools and see which one this line is from. that's crazy though, to see that the line itself is glowing like a beacon as it trails behind the boat.
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That's crazy, I'd better get hold of a UV light and check my lines.......
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how the hell does a line company have that happen?
surely they test their products for everything. well, apparently not, actually.
what's even crazier, is that i had some very great days with that rod last season. and caught some very impressive fish. hmmm. almost makes one think twice about changing it. is there any chance that could be attracting the fish? i mean, it would definitely "attract" them, but i would have expected that it would then make them more apprehensive. might have to re-think some of the things i used to think.
we know that light attracts fish. so much-so, that it's illegal to use a light over or in the water here in canada. i might have to test two rods next season, one with "glowing" line and the other with invisible, but running the same lure on each.
looks like a new test to do.
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i caught one of my better rainbows last year with that line. i'm running a length of it on my fly rod in place of a leader. i run fry patterns on my lake that has the salmon run up into it in the fall to spawn up the creek inflows. in the spring, masses of fry wash out into the lake, where they live for two years before making their journey to the ocean. so the spring is awesome for rainbow trout, because they are gorging themselves on the massive bait-balls of fry that have been flushed into the lake. so i troll a fry pattern and target the swarms of fry that you can see. drag the line through the fry, and it usually tears off with a trout on the end.
i remember my first trip to the lake in the spring. i set up camp, loaded the boat and set out. my first stop is a spot directly across the lake from where i camp. there's a good point i approach on, then troll across the point, into a small bay with a large rock formation. i tore across the lake, slowed the boat as i got to the other side, just out from the point. as the boat was slowing to troll speed, i flipped the rod out and started peeling line out. i had about half of it stripped out and still mostly slack, slowly straightening out. i let the last half pull itself from the reel, as it has lots of weight.(type 6 sinking) as soon as i start to let it pull itself out, i tighten the drag so it has just enough so it can still pull out.
well, the moment i stopped stripping by hand and snugged some tension on, about to let the rest pull itself out, all the slack had just strightened out and suddenly there was weight on the rod. after a great fight, i released a beautiful 14 lb. rainbow. i was pretty shocked that it was on my fly that fast. it hadn't even really started to drag behind the boat yet. it would have been slightly moving, just very slowly pulling back as the line would have been mostly sinking downward still.
so now i wonder, was that fish attracted that fast by the glowing line suddenly appearing in the water?
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good question,perhaps the line marked the fly for it?.i wonder if trout look for  sticks or pieces of grass in the water knowing that sometimes there'll be an insect attached?
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Yes, thats exactly what i am now thinking. Otherwise, i would have had to have stopped the boat right on top of that fish pretty much, and started letting line out right above it as well. I am thinking the line attracted it in, and it then located the fly at the end from that.
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They say fish use, and also depend, on UV for a few things. Feeding and mating being a couple of those. Male cichlids are a specific blue that reflects UV. The females use that to pick and choose a mate. Young fish depend on UV to feed, using it to find plankton. And i think its the angler fish that has that doo-dad dangling out in front of its face. It glows, but more a phosphorescent i would think, and fish are attracted to it, then become its food. So there are numerous instances of fish being attracted by UV, and i havent heard of anything that suggests its a repellant. So maybe that UV line might actually be intentional, although they surely didnt advertise that feature.
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And i just figured out why some of my eyes are glowing. Alot of my lures, i made the eyes myself. early ones were made out of buttons, then i would add a dab of black nail polish in the center, then a big drop of epoxy onto it, to give it roundness. And then i moved on to making them from hole-punched CDs, i read that one on here. Same, i would add a drop of black for a pupil, then a big drop of epoxy for roundness. Well, now i have found that the epoxy actually glows like mad, and thats why some of those eyes are also.
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Personally I have not found lures that glow to make any difference for Bass fishing. Generally top water lures, but I do use them at times as I find that they are a lot easier to cast and place at night in heavy bankside timber/vegetation without getting snagged on the cast.
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I am going to go test some of my other lures(not ones ive made) that are proven producers.
I tested my flys earlier today, and was pretty surprised at how they looked as well. my three go-to flys, two are actually crazy under UV, they don't look anything like what I thought they appeared as. and the other is completely void of any UV properties.
but I know with my collection of rapalas, I have a few that are true UV models, but they have never done anything.

i'm sure most everyone is aware of this, but I will just mention it for people who may read this but don't know.
glow and uv aren't the same.
glowing is phosphorescence. it's seen with no light at all, although it initially needs light to activate it's phosphors.
UV requires sunlight to appear. it is activated by the ultraviolet rays, which we cannot see. but a UV light can be used to mimic it's appearance for us. but a UV lure will not glow in darkness, they require the sun's rays.

I have combined both in some of my painting. I haven't done enough fishing at night to truly test the glow lures, but they have definitely out-produced non-ones at deep depths where light is lacking. jigging for lake trout, cod, and halibut have all been more productive for me using glow lures.
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ive come to the conclusion that some species respond to uv paint and others not so much ,just a light touch of uv seems to work best most of the time at least with our species here.It is definately worth more experimentation i think Thumbs Up
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k, this just popped into my head.
I never before thought of what "fluorocarbon" stands for. does the "fluoro" stand for fluorescent?? that makes sense then I suppose. never really thought of it that way.
the one of mine that glows crazy is "spiderwire" and its colour is labelled as "Fl. Clear Blue". but it's a mono, not a fluoro.
but my stren 100% fluoro doesn't glow. neither does my maxima ultragreen.
but my trilene glows also, yet it is orange in colour to the eye, but glows green just like the spiderwire.

so it doesn't seem like it's the fluoro lines glowing. it must be an additive for line tint. weird that they don't totally advertise it as being extremely visible though.
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got that straightened out. it was what i had always assumed, but never looked into. fluoro does not mean fluorescent, but fluorine. i knew the line was more supple and better, but just never actually looked into it. this sudden finding my line glowing started my head spinning.
 so, what most figure the hi-vis lines are for, is so the fisherman can see his line better. i never really considered that a thing, as i don't do any fishing where it's important for "me" to see my line. but some guys seem to need that for certain types of fishing. but most stuff i was reading, the guys just assumed the lines were "hi-vis" to them, and not to the fish. even some were saying that they noticed their blue-tint lines actually glowed, but their understanding was that then disappeared and became clear several feet down.
my understanding though, is that UV rays penetrate deeper than others, but maybe i am wrong and they don't. either way, for my fishing, i am in the top twenty feet of water or so, so i am thinking these lines are plenty visible. up until now, i thought like those that i was reading, that those coloured lines were for us. never imagined that line would glow in the water. and i know that some label their colour as blue-tint or fl. clear blue, but that still suggests it's for us kinda. nothing i have read on lines mentions that they are UV lines and highly visible to the fish. but maybe some are actually marketed that way? i have never noticed i guess.
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here are my culprits.
 
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the left spool is this. it's what i have on my rod that is glowing.
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the other glowing spool is this, berkley trilene.
 
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the two spools on the inside are:
 
maxima, second from left.
 
and stren fluoro, second in from right.
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Ok guys calm down the colors you are seeing is not quite what the fish are seeing. the first thing about color you need to understand is white light is made up of all the colors in our spectem red,green,blue ect. But there are colors we are unable to detect infared and ultra vilot 
So a green leaf you are looking at is really absorbing red and blue its not necessarily green 
So when you shine a UV torch on a color and it glows what's happening is the UV light being reflected back is being slowed down by the coating to our human visible range. We can not detect the color that fish see. We can only kinda!! simulate it with a UV torch.

There is a part two to this story to do with deep clear water if anyone is interested. And if my explanation is not to vague. Let me know and Ill pick up my act
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that's the question, doc. just what are the fish really seeing? does anyone really know? and how does one know just what to believe, because how can they even prove their findings?
I know also that they say fiah use their UV sight for feeding. so that means it's an attractant. if that is true, then worrying that a line is more visible wouldn't necessarily be bad, it could actually be attracting them.
I would be super-interested to hear your views on UV.
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The testing of what wavelengths fish can see is really easy. You use an LED light with a known wave length say 365nm. 
Turn it on at random times when you put food in the water after a week or two, you just turn on the light and don't feed them and see who shows up. 
Do this with different wavelengths in 25nm steps and you will be able to figure out who see,s what UV color 
You do need to exclude outside variables footsteps on your dock shadows from moon light the splashing of the food on the waters surface I could go on. 
This is anecdotal evidence of what fish see.  But you could stake close male family members nut on it. 
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Ok Mike 
I can explain my theory as to what fish see but it will be long and will either enlighten, insult or confuse someones intelligence, If you lived in Australia, I would have called you to save my own embarrassment and I could deny every saying anything

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I suppose the real question is do you want it. It will be long with comparisons to human eye

 
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