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Jeff
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Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 10:53am |
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What are your opinions on this as a lure wood ? Any problems I should know about before I make heaps of them ?
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I like pretty painted sticks
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fletch
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Looks awesome but irritates me when sanding , sneezing . Taste . Need mask on bad ....my thoughts anyway .... Cheers Aaron
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RAVA
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Jeff ask Powelly he has info that it is not very good for you so mate check with him
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Fish hate me!!!
Cheers Gary |
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Jeff
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Yeah , I have heard it affects some people badly and you must use a mask .
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I like pretty painted sticks
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RAVA
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I had some and Travers told me not to use it.
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Fish hate me!!!
Cheers Gary |
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always use a mask anyway Jeff,. ive heard western red cedars bad for you i wonder whats in it?,youd think aussie red cedar would be bad too as the dust is so fine.
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I played around with it awhile back no mask on like burns around lips . Mate who's a builder said straight away you been using cedar .... Yep ... That's what it will do to you he said ... ... Does anyone know about jelutong affects as I'm trying to use this mostly ..... Cheers Aaron
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Theres a heap of timbers that are linked to respiratory problems, including ear, nose and throat cancers and allergies, protective equipment is a MUST HAVE. Western red Cedar is one of them.
Western red does make good lures, It's pretty light and a bit soft for my liking
Cheers
Wal
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I couldn't work out how to post the link fella's, do a search on "toxic timbers" theres heaps of stuff like this one from UTAS
Cheers Wal
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There are also problems with some Australian timbers that aren't mentioned here. Many contain fine silica fibres that strengthen the cell walls, long term exposure to the dusts can lead to silicosis
Cheers
Wal
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Jeff , western red cedar is fine for lures.
During cutting /sanding the sawdust should be dealt with as best as possible [vacuum/draft fan etc] , but , FINE sawdust from ANY timber is NOT good for the human body
Cheers,
Barney.
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Just read Wal's BIG post ...all of what is in it is true.
Again....ANY fine sawdust aint good for you.
Common sense and caution
Barney.
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Jeff
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So we got the health ramifications outta the way , wear a mask .
Will this wood stand up as well as Red Cedar in lures ? |
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Worked in a timber mill for 6 years, face masks were not readily handed out. Used to pick the dust from my eyes in "strings" of eye secretion. Used to sneeze and cough up black gunk. We used treated timber from Malaysia. Splinters used to kill the flesh around them, that how you found the ramin (white timber) splinters. Martin
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i think its still the same in most sawmills and furniture factories Martin,no one wears masks but then again in some the air is that thick with dust that even if you did you'd still have problems in the long run
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Jeff , some sort of dust extraction is needed. A mask is not enough.
Either a vacuum system or a fan draft system is need. Both quite cheap and easy to set up.
'Fan Draft' is simply a 30cm blower [from a trade shop etc] with a length of 30cm ducting to a 60x60cm home-made 'box' under your sander/sanding device. Sucks out all the very fine sawdust but leaves the bigger chunkier sawdust. You can set it up to blow the dust outside and /or into a 'wet trap'.
Western Red is fine for most lures but l didnt like using it for small lures as sometimes it had a 'hairy' grain.
Cheers,
Barney.
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Gary , western red is great for 3-4-5" cod lures and 3-7" jack/barra lures. Barney.
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Hi Guys, I've just recently started using western red cedar
and I've found it very good .. it's easy to work with and paints up a treat... I haven't had any trouble with skin irritations or anytrhing like that but when you compare it to jelutong I think the yellow wood is for better......Pete.
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I am liking it because it is easy to work with and doesnt push out air bubbles in the primer , unlike Red Cedar which is a pain in the ass for this .
I will set up for safety and continue to use it I think |
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I loved using cedar for lures, its got a natural water repelling oil in it, but I suffer hayfever and even wearing a good quality dust mask, developed an extreme allergic reaction to it. Like hayfever from hell. Thats why I cant use it anymore.
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I like using western red cedar, mainly on small fresh water lures. It's very easy to work with & is very light & buoyant but as stated, the dust is a nightmare. The upside is that the lures land with a very natural "plop" sound on the water - great for fish like JP's. I noticed black bean mentioned in there as well which would be typical I've just made a couple of nudes from it. Thanks for posting that info Wal, something to think about ?
cheers Mark
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Nice little lures there mate , I like 'em
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Jeff,
I like using a cedar although not sure what variety for both nudes and topwaters. I think it is Western but don't know. I made a couple for swap 2 out of it and the shine along the grain line is great on nudes. For topwaters I find it is buoyant enough to give a nice action and sitting position but not soft like balsa. Angus |
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I like these two lures a lot...Mark. cheers
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cheers steiny
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I'm just finishing re-doing my deck, with all western red cedar. It's definitely dustier than alot of other woods. It's beautiful stuff, but would be way too soft for me for lures. But then, some people use balsa. It all depends on what you want i guess. I have lots of leftovers, but i think i'm a little far away.
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I've been using WRC for yonks, it's beautiful timber to look at and work with and makes GREAT lures. I have all the dust extraction gear to keep the fine dust down to a minimum, plus wear a mask when cutting or sanding a lot of bodies.
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I started with wrc, it was great, did have a slight streangth issue on thin butted lures, would split sometimes, easy fix was to make tails thicker.
I found it made nice lures. Now I nearly always use Indonesian white mahogany, for a lot of reasons, its great timber for lure making. |
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I have soo many pieces left over from my deck, I stacked it all, knowing I'd find something to use it for.
this afternoon I decided to try a couple pieces for lures. I knew it would be a dream to work with, because of it's softness. luckily, I have no reaction to the fine dust it creates. and the bonus is the wonderful smell of the wood.
it's definitely a sander-friendly wood. I didn't even attempt to carve it, which is how I do my other lures. I have a disc/belt sander combo, and figured this would be the wood perfectly suited for that machine. wow. I cranked off four lures in no time. I might have found a new tool. although I truly love creating my lures all by hand, right down to the cutting of the tree itself, it was awesome how quickly the sander and cedar made everything. I think i'll pound out a whack of lures this way, to have a box full at the ready. there's days when I just want to paint and create patterns, and hand-carving just doesn't ever get a quantity built up.
it will be interesting to see how the cedar lures swim compared to the regular ones I make.
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